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Post by nyf on Oct 7, 2021 13:43:19 GMT
I don't know how truthful the rumor is, but everything is reporting that a "source" reported that Theo and Cohen had a meeting today where they mutually agreed that Theo and the Mets are not a match... I was hopeful, but this isn't at all shocking. 1) I've read he wants an ownership stake in where he goes next 2) He's used to being the head person, acting with autonomy. Even if Cohen promises Theo free reign in baseball operations, if Sandy is staying around, then Theo is not autonomous. 3) When he took over the cubs, they were young talent/prospect RICH. That team was going to be good no matter what, Theo just made the smart moves that made them WS champs. We have to question, looking at our farm, and looking at our roster, and questioning DeGrom's 2022, are the Mets a guarantee if Theo makes smart choices? If the answer is no, there might be some reputation protecting that Theo is doing here.
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Post by CMF on Oct 7, 2021 18:34:07 GMT
There's no guarantee we are a contender next year even if we hired Theo and he made the smart choices. I think the team has too many holes to fill in one offseason. For example, as you've said Fang, CF needs an upgrade and the FA choices are a blackhole. We don't have enough legit prospects to make a trade for a CFer.
Add in the rotation, the bullpen, 3B, the offense. What am I missing?
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Post by nyf on Oct 7, 2021 19:39:06 GMT
I think it's worse than that though - I think there is no guarantee that in 3 years we are competing for a WS. If the cards fall into place, we might compete, but Theo is likely thinking "3 for 3" to cement his reputation as the GOAT of GMs.
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Post by saxon on Oct 7, 2021 19:48:28 GMT
Sterling Marte is more than likely a FA, I think that he would be an upgrade at center and Nimmo would be more valuable as a corner out fielder and number 2 hitter.
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Post by CMF on Oct 8, 2021 17:10:37 GMT
Read that Conforto is going to be offered the QO and he's likely to turn it down. He must have a HUGE set if he turns that down and bets he'll get a better offer.
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Post by nyf on Oct 8, 2021 18:40:49 GMT
not that huge of a set. Someone will offer him a 1 year prove it deal, and considering there is zero risk to a 1 year deal, it will likely be at the 20MM range.
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Post by CMF on Oct 11, 2021 15:21:45 GMT
Good for MC if he gets that. I don't think he has shown enough to get that kind of money up I am cheap!
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Post by nyf on Oct 12, 2021 17:05:09 GMT
he's played an above average RF in my opinion, has 30 HR potential. If someone can roll the dice without committing to that long term, he'll get solidly paid. I mean Jackie Bradley Jr got paid 13MM for this year. Conforto's potential alone is worth 5 million over that.
As a fan, I'd be perfectly happy if he accepted the QO (which I don't think he will).
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Post by CMF on Oct 15, 2021 14:55:50 GMT
The QO is $18.4M for next season.
On another note - should we consider Shildt for manager? Solid track record in a good organization.
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Post by jeff on Oct 15, 2021 15:51:35 GMT
Did you guys miss me? You know I only appear in the offseason, haha. So...the guys that NEED to stay are:
-Lindor (he's going to be much better going forward) -Alonso -Nimmo -Dom Smith (to regain his value) -Pillar (to stay on as a bench/role player) -Villar (to stay on as a bench/role player)
everyone else can be traded. i'd try to lock up Baez for an elite up the middle combo for years to come.... let some of the young guys develop and debut (ie. Vientos, Baty, Khalil Lee, Mangum)
The pitching is a whole other issue....
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Post by jeff on Oct 15, 2021 15:53:35 GMT
The QO is $18.4M for next season. On another note - should we consider Shildt for manager? Solid track record in a good organization. Shildt apparently got dismissed because he wasn't a good "puppet" that bought into the organization's philosophy. No way the Mets want to hire a guy who can't be a "puppet".
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Post by saxon on Oct 16, 2021 16:04:55 GMT
Did you guys miss me? You know I only appear in the offseason, haha. So...the guys that NEED to stay are: -Lindor (he's going to be much better going forward) -Alonso -Nimmo -Dom Smith (to regain his value) -Pillar (to stay on as a bench/role player) -Villar (to stay on as a bench/role player) everyone else can be traded. i'd try to lock up Baez for an elite up the middle combo for years to come.... let some of the young guys develop and debut (ie. Vientos, Baty, Khalil Lee, Mangum) The pitching is a whole other issue.... Welcome aboard Jeff...glad that you finally made it to our new location...
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Post by saxon on Oct 16, 2021 16:06:34 GMT
The QO is $18.4M for next season. On another note - should we consider Shildt for manager? Solid track record in a good organization. Shildt apparently got dismissed because he wasn't a good "puppet" that bought into the organization's philosophy. No way the Mets want to hire a guy who can't be a "puppet". I don't know a lot about Shildt, other than he's led his team into the playoffs repeatedly...that for itself is more than pretty much any recent Mets manager has done... another interesting idea that the NYC papers have suggested is Walt Weiss...
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Post by jeff on Oct 18, 2021 13:54:44 GMT
Shildt apparently got dismissed because he wasn't a good "puppet" that bought into the organization's philosophy. No way the Mets want to hire a guy who can't be a "puppet". I don't know a lot about Shildt, other than he's led his team into the playoffs repeatedly...that for itself is more than pretty much any recent Mets manager has done... another interesting idea that the NYC papers have suggested is Walt Weiss... The other thing is, and I'm not an advocate for this, bringing Beltran back is still on the table. Granted Beltran was brought in under a different regime, but when you see what guys like Alex Cora and Dave Roberts have done as 1st time managers he kind of gives you some confidence.
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Post by thomasam on Oct 29, 2021 13:49:53 GMT
Did you guys miss me? You know I only appear in the offseason, haha. So...the guys that NEED to stay are: -Lindor (he's going to be much better going forward) -Alonso -Nimmo -Dom Smith (to regain his value) -Pillar (to stay on as a bench/role player) -Villar (to stay on as a bench/role player) everyone else can be traded. i'd try to lock up Baez for an elite up the middle combo for years to come.... let some of the young guys develop and debut (ie. Vientos, Baty, Khalil Lee, Mangum) The pitching is a whole other issue.... Welcome back! I've been here and I'm as bad at staying tuned in as you are. Agreed on a lot of these, though Smith is a tough call. We also have to keep McCann, who wasn't as bad as many made him out to be. Most catchers aren't great hitters and he produced more or less at his expected level while being solid defensively. Alvarez is still a year away so the McCann signing is a good one. I like the idea of signing Baez also though I certainly wouldn't be upset about Correa if they could convince him to play second. Cano still has two years but he can move around the field and be the DH if that's going to happen. Otherwise yeah everyone is expendable including McNeil, Conforto and Davis. This farm system isn't great overall but the top guys are almost here and they look to be able to contribute early on.
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