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Post by Admin on Nov 6, 2023 15:27:06 GMT
What would you do as far as player personnel? What do you think will happen? Big expectations? Moderate expectations? No expectations?
Will we see Pete Alonso stay or go?
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Post by saxon on Nov 15, 2023 20:29:54 GMT
Dom Smith got released (DFA'd) by the Nats...while Dom is not great, he at least did a semi-respectable job for the Nats...I really don't see how the Mets could tender a contract (and waste a spot on the 40 man roster) to Volgebach in contrast...yes, neither is impressive, just saying I don't see why they would keep Volgebach around
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Post by nyf on Nov 16, 2023 17:40:42 GMT
I can't imagine Voggy will be on our 40 come tomorrow's deadline.
The pros of it being a cheap contract will be outweighed by the 40 spot and MLB level bench spot and the simple loss of fan good will that keeping him would be. I also don't see a Dom Smith reunion. My guess is we're going to see another big dose of baby mets and C level veterans competing for starting/bench roles at LF/2B/3B. They'll need a CF depth piece and a Quintana will back up catcher. Dom and Voggy don't fit any of those holes and I can't imagine will be in Stearn's plans.
For Alonso - no offseason contract, but if he has a big year, Mets will reward him with a big deal early in FA like they did Nimmo.
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Post by Admin on Nov 16, 2023 19:15:59 GMT
Fyi, I wasn't suggesting Dom... I was just using him as an example of a player slightly less useful than Vogelbach that wasn't tendered a contract
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Post by Admin on Nov 18, 2023 3:50:33 GMT
Vogelbach and Luis G were not tendered contracts ( along with a bunch of meh relievers)....
DJ Stewart signed to a 1 year deal
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Post by Admin on Nov 30, 2023 22:25:50 GMT
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Post by thomasam on Dec 4, 2023 13:58:31 GMT
I'm one of the few who saw a nice swing by Vogelbach and potential as a part-time DH, but that's a "luxury" (with a loose definition of luxury) that the team certainly doesn't need. I don't believe in Vientos at all and Baty just seems like a quintessential AAAA player. So it comes back yet again to 3B and DH. I'm fine with the OF the way it is if Marte comes back healthy and the prospects are able to fill in as the season goes on. So for me the expectations are moderate but logical:
2 more SP (please let one be Yamamoto), though 1 more could work if Lucchesi can stay healthy and/or Vasil can be a serviceable 5th starter 1 DH 1 3B 2-3 more relievers Utility man (Wendle)
If they only sign Yamamoto and a solid DH and then fill in with decent players elsewhere I'd actually be happy. Pitching just means so much, and getting a true DH will extend the lineup.
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Post by nyf on Dec 4, 2023 16:48:33 GMT
Front end starter is key. Love Senga, but we can't go into the season with him as our #1. To me, he's a #3 in a strong rotation, but could be serviceable as a #2. So if not Yamamoto, options are limited.
I know this didn't work well for us last year, but I'd be thrilled burning majority of our capital on Yamamoto and Snell, and then more mid-ranged guys to compete with the rookies. No one was thrilled with what we got from the rookies last year, but they are all high pedigree talent that I would be remised to cut and run on. The talent is there, and I'd love to see what a new manager can do to get the most of that. Areas of need (not including SP/RP) are 3B, 2B, LF. DH. Fill LF, and let the kids compete with McNeil for the other 3. This is how the great teams are built, working in MiLB talent and giving them the chance to succeed.
I think Alec Bohm is a great example. He was called up in 2020, had some success, but then his first full season, he blew it, was terrible, and there were questions of whether this highly toughted former 1st round pick had what it takes. I would guess the Phillies are thrilled they stuck with him in 2022...
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Post by Admin on Dec 5, 2023 4:03:24 GMT
I'm not sold on Snell...most years his ERA is not very spectacular...and his walk totals are a major concern...did he benefit from a home park that highly favors pitchers?
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Post by nyf on Dec 5, 2023 20:02:45 GMT
Thats fair - but from what I read, contract expectations on him are reasonable. Something in the realm of 120-130 million over 5 years (24-26 per). Snell has clear #2 potential, so as long as you're not paying him like an ace (which is 35-40 million now a days), and not committing to him into his late 30s, those numbers seem fair to me. That would put him in the range of Gausman or Robbie Ray type of deals, which feels about right...
Yamamoto, Snell, Senga, Severino, Quintana, Luchesi, MeGill (and eventually Peterson in time for when Severino gets injured). I'd take that all day.
If that is too rich, I'd be happy to still splurge on Yamamoto (whatever it takes), and then go after Imanaga. While we're at it, for LF, lets sign Yoshida to play LF, and we can call the team "little Tokyo"
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Post by thomasam on Dec 7, 2023 19:22:49 GMT
Areas of need (not including SP/RP) are 3B, 2B, LF. DH. Fill LF, and let the kids compete with McNeil for the other 3. This is how the great teams are built, working in MiLB talent and giving them the chance to succeed. I keep hearing Acuna as the 2B of the future. Of course that future will almost certainly not be the first half of 2024, but I'd think a mix of Mauricio and McNeil there could hold things until he's ready. The 3B situation just feels like a disaster to me though. Three guys who all really can't play there competing for the spot? It's just a mess. They certainly do need a corner OF though as a bridge to Gilbert. Of course if Marte is down again that exposes both OF positions. OF is just a glaring need and hopefully they sign someone in the next couple of weeks.
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Post by nyf on Dec 7, 2023 20:21:29 GMT
Not sure I truly understand this post. I don't think anyone is going to confuse these guys as plus defenders (thought some confused Wright as plus at some point...), but Baty and Mauricio can be average there (Vientos below average). The real issue is can their bat stick? If so, the defense will be more than sufficient (for instance, to use the same example, they wouldn't be any worse than Bohm).
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Post by Admin on Dec 7, 2023 21:24:04 GMT
Not sure I truly understand this post. I don't think anyone is going to confuse these guys as plus defenders (thought some confused Wright as plus at some point...), but Baty and Mauricio can be average there (Vientos below average). The real issue is can their bat stick? If so, the defense will be more than sufficient (for instance, to use the same example, they wouldn't be any worse than Bohm). I like the Bohm comparison...when he started he was like the 3B version of Steve Sax and Mackey Sasser...after Bryce got the manager fired, Bohm has settled down to be decent enough
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Post by thomasam on Dec 9, 2023 15:34:48 GMT
Not sure I truly understand this post. I don't think anyone is going to confuse these guys as plus defenders (thought some confused Wright as plus at some point...), but Baty and Mauricio can be average there (Vientos below average). The real issue is can their bat stick? If so, the defense will be more than sufficient (for instance, to use the same example, they wouldn't be any worse than Bohm). I do believe Baty can turn it around with a full offseason and spring training, but if he doesn't Mauricio just feels like a terrible idea for 3B. He's a 2B/CF to me, but I could be wrong. Vientos shouldn't be anywhere near 3B. I guess my point is that there are three prospects that potentially need a spot, and none are really suited for 3B.
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Post by Admin on Dec 9, 2023 16:06:31 GMT
IMO, Baty is the least likely to be a 3B in the future...I see him as a corner 4th outfielder unless something significant changes...a Danny Heep or Mark Carreon type I also think that there is a reason why the farm system and the scouting system hierarchy was purged: guys are coming up without a lot of defensive skills, are often left at a position that they likely won't be in the majors, and "can't miss" guys like Baty don't look impressive at all... Reminds me of the movie "Trouble with the curve", where the hierarchy buffoons are all over this one guy that smacks just about every straight pitch over the fence in high school and BP, but gets all tied up as soon as they find a good junk baller to toss him pitches that have movement on them en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trouble_with_the_Curve
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