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Post by saxon on May 23, 2023 15:00:57 GMT
Trying to liven things up a bit...or at least have more than 1 thread that we are commenting on...
A lot of questions in regards to lineups and even who will be on the roster in a few weeks when our Opening Day catchers are ready to return...there could also be some pitching decisions if Quantana returns at some point.
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Post by nyf on May 23, 2023 15:06:31 GMT
Catchers - I can't imagine that Alverez is going anywhere. He's caught a fine game and not at defensive ceiling. And his bat far outstrips the others. Gary Sanchez will likely be the odd man out unless they keep 3 catchers (to use him as a PH). Competition between Nido and Narvaez, Narvaez's contract is going to win. They aren't cutting bait with him with 15 million owed between this and next year.
Question: Does Nido have enough value to return a low trade prospects or a BP arm?
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Post by nyf on May 23, 2023 15:09:02 GMT
Pitchers - this one is much more straight forward. No one from the AAA squad (Megill, Peterson, Lucchesi) has blown the doors off, so the original 5 will be the summer 5 if all are healthy.
You could see Carrasco lose his job between now and then, but the other 4 are fairly obvious.
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Post by nyf on May 23, 2023 15:11:31 GMT
Veteran Position Players - not going too deep here as we've covered in the other thread pretty solidly, but WHEN Mauricio is called up (he continues to rake), I think the move is McNeil to LF and Mauricio to 2B. Canha is the odd man out there moving to the bench, which could make Pham redundant, or mark the end of Voggy. Need to get better eyes on Vientos as a DH against RH pitching though if you're going to cut your lefty counterpart.
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Post by saxon on May 23, 2023 15:14:59 GMT
Some of the guys that have been "positives" in the past 7 days: Alonso: 4 HR, 10 RBI, 17 Total Bases (average/OBP low but hasn't been striking out either); Baty: .333/.429/.722/1.151 13 Total Bases, 2 HR, 1 double; Lindor, Alvarez, McNeil, Escobar, Pham & Marte all contributing and hitting at least .267.
Nimmo has been struggling with a .179 OBP in the past week, while striking out 7 times with only 1 walk, 1 HR and 4 hits in the past week (however, overall on the year, he's doing fine, so he's just likely in a temporary slump.
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Post by saxon on May 23, 2023 15:17:08 GMT
Catchers - I can't imagine that Alverez is going anywhere. He's caught a fine game and not at defensive ceiling. And his bat far outstrips the others. Gary Sanchez will likely be the odd man out unless they keep 3 catchers (to use him as a PH). Competition between Nido and Narvaez, Narvaez's contract is going to win. They aren't cutting bait with him with 15 million owed between this and next year. Question: Does Nido have enough value to return a low trade prospects or a BP arm? you would think that Alvarez should be fine...he's taken our weakest position the past several years offensively, and really make it seem like we got a baby Piazza back there...however, Andy Martino at SNY believes that he could be sent back to AAA because he's the only catcher that has an option. I wouldn't be surprised to see us carry 3 catchers temporarily with Sanchez getting some DH/PH duties...but who do we lose as a corresponding move? Does Vientos pay the price since Buck loves keeping him on the bench? Or one of his favorite veterans (Vogelbach/Pham)?
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Post by saxon on May 23, 2023 15:33:49 GMT
Pitchers - this one is much more straight forward. No one from the AAA squad (Megill, Peterson, Lucchesi) has blown the doors off, so the original 5 will be the summer 5 if all are healthy. You could see Carrasco lose his job between now and then, but the other 4 are fairly obvious. yeah, unfortunately I don't see many good options for the Mets pitching staff other than what is already here. You have the obvious starters that as long as healthy will be there: Max, Verlander, Sanga In the bullpen, you have the obvious end of game guys: Robertson and Ottivino. I like what I see for the most part from: Brooks Raley and Drew Smith. Other than that, I really don't know the reliability of the rest of the staff.
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Post by saxon on May 23, 2023 15:43:01 GMT
Veteran Position Players - not going too deep here as we've covered in the other thread pretty solidly, but WHEN Mauricio is called up (he continues to rake), I think the move is McNeil to LF and Mauricio to 2B. Canha is the odd man out there moving to the bench, which could make Pham redundant, or mark the end of Voggy. Need to get better eyes on Vientos as a DH against RH pitching though if you're going to cut your lefty counterpart. I understand Buck's philosophy with Vientos, but not overly happy with it...The guy has close to Alonso power potential and has been "the guy" in the lineup for the AAA team...but because of having 3B/1B tied up, he's mostly riding the bench (even though, I don't understand why he doesn't get an opportunity to DH more often or have either him or Baty in LF on occasion with a RHP on the mound). Cahna hasn't been much of a factor all season, I picture him as more of a 4th OFer than a starter...which like you stated, makes McNeil a better option in LF than Cahna. I really don't see what they see in Vogelbach this season; yes he had a decent run when he first got here, and he hit 30 HRs in Seattle 1 season (he hit .208 with 149 strikeouts in only 144 games that season, which IMO offsets the power/walks). However when you take away that one season with 30 HRs, Vogelbach is mostly a bench player or a guy that shares at bats with other players. 2016-2018 (prior to his "big" power year): .197 average, .315 Slugging Percentage; .616 OPS; 2020-2023 (after his big year, mostly only facing RHP which should inflate his numbers): .229 average, .404 slugging percentage; .760 OPS (averaging 9 HRs, 8 doubles and 28 RBI in those seasons).
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Post by CMF on May 23, 2023 15:44:11 GMT
I'm just not seeing much of anything from Vogelbach or Pham. Vogelbach has been getting some walks, but that's not why he is DHing. The power has been non-existant. Pham looks to be mostly done as a starting OFer.
I'm waiting to see if this rest does anything for Carrasco. He's looked terrible so far.
Sanchez...MEH.
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Post by saxon on May 23, 2023 16:00:11 GMT
I'm just not seeing much of anything from Vogelbach or Pham. Vogelbach has been getting some walks, but that's not why he is DHing. The power has been non-existant. Pham looks to be mostly done as a starting OFer. I'm waiting to see if this rest does anything for Carrasco. He's looked terrible so far. Sanchez...MEH. I agree, unfortunately we aren't the guys making those assessments.
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Post by saxon on May 23, 2023 16:24:26 GMT
apparently, SNY is hearing some flack from the pitchers after Andy Martino's nonsense yesterday: sny.tv/articles/he-should-stay-mets-francisco-alvarez-strong-supporters-clubhouse?fbclid=IwAR1GdpQXEZ3hPkRNMDtjQ6RwIucaEc3C-l000Zw2QDOqV5fyywMJkIQWufk'He should stay': Mets rookie Francisco Alvarez has very strong supporters in clubhouse Sentiment among many on the veteran pitching staff that the rookie catcher should stay in big leagues When it comes to the Mets' catching situation, the team’s pitching staff and fans seem aligned on a key point: Francisco Alvarez shouldn’t go anywhere. “He should stay,” says one veteran pitcher. “Guys love him,” said another member of the staff. “He cares so much.” The discussion over whether the Mets will option Alvarez to Triple-A once catching the tandem of Omar Narvaez and Tomas Nido return from the injured list is occurring prematurely (kinda my fault), and will likely be settled organically by health and performance over the next several weeks. Roster crunches often resolve themselves. Having said that, there is a sentiment among many on the veteran pitching staff that Alvarez should stay. Without wanting to appear to disparage other teammates in public, these vets say they like throwing to Alvarez and do not want the Mets to send him down. Alvarez’s framing skills and arm have always been strong. When he arrived in the big leagues last month, however, there was a feeling in the clubhouse that his game-calling and work with pitchers still needed improvement. Over the past few weeks, pitchers have been extremely impressed by his rapid progress. One pitcher suggested that if the team options Alvarez, the staff will be angry. Still, it will be a tricky spot for the front office. Narvaez is assured of a spot on the team. Gary Sanchez’s reputation as a defender is mixed at best. Nido is highly regarded as a defender but is by far the weakest offensive performer of the group. The Mets could proceed with Narvaez and Alvarez as the catching tandem and Sanchez as a righthanded-hitting DH/bench bat instead of Mark Vientos -- though that assumes that Sanchez is still an MLB-caliber hitter. The Mets will find out, along with the rest of us, if that is the case. Nido signed a two-year contract last offseason. He is on the IL after having a vision issue corrected, and his timetable to return is unclear. Narvaez is expected back in 2-3 weeks. The easiest roster move is to option the rookie Alvarez. But, as it turns out, that is a move that would not go over well in the clubhouse.
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Post by nyf on May 23, 2023 18:57:16 GMT
you would think that Alvarez should be fine...he's taken our weakest position the past several years offensively, and really make it seem like we got a baby Piazza back there...however, Andy Martino at SNY believes that he could be sent back to AAA because he's the only catcher that has an option. I wouldn't be surprised to see us carry 3 catchers temporarily with Sanchez getting some DH/PH duties...but who do we lose as a corresponding move? Does Vientos pay the price since Buck loves keeping him on the bench? Or one of his favorite veterans (Vogelbach/Pham)? Saw a tweet that crucified Martino (pretty common) about his lack of "finger on the pulse" reporting in general, but ESPECIALLY when it comes to the Mets. Assuming nothing changes in the next 1-2 weeks when Nido/Narvaez are back, and Alverez is still performing, a demotion would set the Mets faithful ablaze, despite the logic of the "options". I just don't see it happening, and Martino is an idiot, so that just reinforces my belief Yea, not sure what would happen there with Buck. I already think he's sitting Vientos too much (I would have played him in the DH game 1 as well), but Buck does love his vets... what I would prefer is for carrying either Narvaez or Nido would mean that you could use Alverez/Sanchez as a PH on days that the other is catching because you have a defensive/emergency option on the bench, and neither Narvaez or Nido get significant starts behind the plate...
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Post by Admin on May 23, 2023 22:04:22 GMT
I've never been a fan of Martino's...I liked Adam Rubin, but then Martino replaced him...and seems to like to just make shit up
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Post by thomasam on May 24, 2023 14:23:33 GMT
I've seen the Martino stuff also and it just feels like he's stirring the pot. It took him a little while but now that Alvarez has started to really settle in it's just not fathomable that they'd send him down in favor or Nido or Narvaez.
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Post by nyf on May 24, 2023 22:24:20 GMT
He got bullied here.... Love it hahaha
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