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Post by CMF on Nov 7, 2022 14:29:01 GMT
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Post by nyf on Nov 7, 2022 14:44:41 GMT
I'm thrilled with it. Neither 5 years nor 20 million is excessive considering his age and stature in the closer world. I had predicted if he had tested FA, he would have gotten more.
28 years old, has shown he can handle NY, can do it in high and low leverage situations, do it for multiple innings, and has stuff that is just FILTHY, so it's not like he is getting lucky on BABIP. Even last year with his "high" 3.45 ERA, he had a WHIP of 1.053 and a K/9 of 12.8.
This guy is elite, and when salaries are reaching 43MM per year for other guys, 20MM feels fair for the best closer in baseball.
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Post by CMF on Nov 14, 2022 15:09:30 GMT
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Post by thomasam on Nov 14, 2022 17:41:55 GMT
I also like the signing. Even if he's a top closer for only the next two years and then regresses it's worth it. Of course if he regresses next year that's a disaster but you've got to take chances. Teams go years without finding someone who can handle the pressure. His whole Narco thing is just a bonus and has to be good for team morale (though I think the handing out toy trumpets thing is dumb).
The deferred salary thing is becoming more and more common and for good reason. Yes it means that they'll be the butt of jokes again though as everyone ignores that most other teams are doing it. I mean the Braves were still paying Bruce Sutter as part of his 1984 contract when he died.
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Post by nyf on Nov 16, 2022 22:11:37 GMT
Let's look at this from a finance POV - which let's all admit, Steve Cohen likely has a pretty good grasp on...
Even without inflation where it is, deferring something like 26.5 million for between 10 - 20 years is a huge future value number.
Speaking of deferrals, fun fact:
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Post by nyf on Mar 16, 2023 18:32:57 GMT
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Post by nyf on Mar 16, 2023 18:45:31 GMT
I know a lot of people share this thought, and its particularly popular right now, but the World Baseball Classic (WBC) should not be held BEFORE the season. I've been of this opinion for years and years.
What I don't agree with is the sentiment that just because guys are making 20-40 million per year the teams should ban their participation, but I do think that it is their responsibility to minimize the impact of their playing on their employer, and that means not risking injury BEFORE a season starts.
Mets have more injuries in spring than I care to think about, most of which have occurred at spring, and I know the Diaz injury is a fluke, but the increased risk in games that are more competitive than spring (and celebrated more vigorously as well) are not worth it to me. Players should be absolutely allowed to play, but AFTER the games they are actually PAID millions upon millions of dollars.
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Post by nyf on Mar 16, 2023 20:14:53 GMT
1000x this.
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Post by thomasam on Mar 17, 2023 15:10:03 GMT
Yeah I agree, though I'm more of the opinion that it should be a completely amateur competition like the old Olympics. Maybe not amateur but at least not at the highest level of the sport. It's bad enough that you have players ramping it up too fast in spring. I wouldn't be surprised if there were more arm injuries among those that have been involved than other pitchers.
It's just amazing that of all the players to get injured it's someone that's going to hurt us significantly. There are so many borderline major leaguers in the WBC, and it has to come to this? It was just surreal "you've got to be kidding" night on Wednesday. I mean I was just getting ready for two days off of basketball and that puts a damper on all things sports.
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Post by Admin on Mar 17, 2023 17:02:58 GMT
this injury is all sorts of stupid...these are 30'ish millionaire adults, they win an exhibition game and celebrate like they are freaking pre-schoolers...a few years back the Angels lost one of their best power hitters after a home run celebration at home plate, his team mobbed him at home plate, and he screwed up his leg stepping on home plate weirdly (and was never the same impact player after that)...
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Post by nyf on Mar 17, 2023 19:07:28 GMT
while I won't go as far as to call it an exhibition game, it obviously it means more to the people playing than to Americans, and I'm not going to tell them their opinion of it's importance is wrong...
but have your major tournament in the winter. Start it November 15th and play it in locations that have domes and warm weather (same as you have to in March). It's a compromise that I believe SHOULD keep everyone mostly happy.
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Post by Admin on Mar 18, 2023 18:13:24 GMT
my main point wasn't really about it being a meaningless exhibition game (which it is, they're getting paid a lot by mlb, not by the WBC)...
my main point was that they are grown adults getting injured by acting like 2 year olds "yeah we win, you suck" celebrations are stupid; and especially stupid to get injured because of them
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Post by nyf on Mar 20, 2023 19:21:29 GMT
Fine - even if we bypass the meaningless aspect, players are always going to celebrate. This was a random August game...
Celebrations aren't going to be limited, and fluke injuries are going to happen, but let them happen in November, not March :/
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