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Post by nyf on Dec 7, 2021 22:25:52 GMT
yea, their ranks might not fit with my views either, but it's close enough and otherwise, the organizational system and filters are easy to use. Glad to help As for pitchers, I can't imagine it would take a huge deal to get Rodon. One AMAZING year, one TERRIBLE. Rest very mediocre. My guess is 3 year with an opt out after 2 at a middling price (14 million per?) I am FAR more concerned with the RP market which is either old or unimpressive.
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Post by saxon on Dec 8, 2021 0:57:39 GMT
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Post by nyf on Dec 8, 2021 17:53:46 GMT
Wasn't aware of that. If he's experiencing current shoulder issues, then that would be a HUGE red flag.
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Post by brianstark on Apr 19, 2022 23:10:59 GMT
How's that QO looking now, Michael?
Bora$$ strikes again.
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Post by nyf on Apr 20, 2022 15:06:46 GMT
First he turned down the Mets 100-120 million extension prior to 2021. Then he turned down the QO prior to 2022. Then he hurt his shoulder in the offseason exacerbating his biggest issue... frailness.
Not sure where he'll end up, but yea, not looking great. I honestly believed turning down the QO for him was a no brainer, and no clue what type of offers he received and then turned down in the offseason hoping for more, but right now, he's in a real pickle. You'd think if he signed today, first game action would be May, which would mean 20% of his 2022 comp gone...
Curious to see where this story ends.
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Post by saxon on Apr 20, 2022 16:22:21 GMT
he likely got told by Borass that if he faked an injury (to explain why he sucked in 2021) and then had rehab (aka batting practice) in the winter...and then waited until the clock for "Qualifying offer" compensation to pass, that he would get a better offer since his shitty season would not have netted a good contract when a team signing him would have to cough up a high draft pick
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Post by CMF on Apr 20, 2022 17:03:55 GMT
I didn't know he turned down $100-$120M. I know it's about ego and money for these guys but that is hard to comprehend. I don't consider Conforto a star player, he's a very good player but doesn't reach the level of star for me, so that sounds like a reasonable offer IMO.
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Post by nyf on Apr 20, 2022 17:29:12 GMT
remember, he was finally healthy in 2020, had an all star quality year, and gambled that he could do it again in 2021. If he had, at age 29, he'd be looking at BIG dollars (6 for 150-175), as opposed to only big dollars (6 for 120 which included his last year of arbitration). Should of taken the deal... www.yahoo.com/video/mets-offered-michael-conforto-100-002226500.html
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Post by saxon on Apr 20, 2022 18:25:41 GMT
remember, he was finally healthy in 2020, had an all star quality year, and gambled that he could do it again in 2022. If he had, at age 29, he'd be looking at BIG dollars (6 for 150-175), as opposed to only big dollars (6 for 120 which included his last year of arbitration). Should of taken the deal... www.yahoo.com/video/mets-offered-michael-conforto-100-002226500.html
to draw a comparison...
so far, the 2022 Dom Smith looks an awful lot like the 2019 version of Brandon Nimmo...the guy that was more concerned with taking pitches than a guy that is looking to pounce on good pitches...
Dom so far, has taken a few called strike 3's, and has not looked to have very good timing (which IMO happens when batters become lookers instead of hitters)...11 strikeouts in only 28 Plate appearances, and while he's 3rd on the team in P/PA, it has only translated into 3 walks.
The 2017-2020 version of Conforto, while going into some low batting average years, still was productive with a respectable .495 Slugging Percentage and a .864 OPS...maybe not a "superstar", but still good enough to be a "meat of the order" type of bat...
Now after Nimmo's shitty 2019, who woulda thought that he's likely to be in better shape heading into Free Agency than Conforto? Nimmo's rebounded with a respectable .463 Slugging Percentage and .863 OPS over the past 3 seasons...as a top of the order bat (even though I disagree with having your fastest runners batting 2nd and 3rd behind him).
the thing is, Conforto used to be the best of the 3 "corner" outfielders...the 2021 version was pretty much on par with the equally disappointing 2021 version of Dom Smith, whereas Nimmo started to see the light in making solid contact when the opportunities presented themselves to him
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Post by nyf on Apr 24, 2022 14:37:18 GMT
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Post by abat on Apr 24, 2022 19:28:52 GMT
The danger of being out of contract, get hurt and no-one pays you.
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Post by nyf on Apr 25, 2022 14:01:21 GMT
100%. Also why a 1-3 year deal might be worth 40 million per year while a 7-10 year deal for the same player might only be worth 30 million per year. I'm sure that 100M for Conforto's full potential might have felt like an underpayment for a guy that can knock you 30 HRs and play solid RF defense, but it would have been guaranteed money in the bank. Ooops
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Post by thomasam on Apr 25, 2022 16:49:39 GMT
I'll really never understand Conforto's thinking with this one. You can envision yourself as an elite player but a corner OF with solid but not spectacular numbers is only so valuable. He's a good piece for a winning team if things go well but he's not carrying an offense. It's just a bad read on the market metrics. With 2022 being a year in his prime this is just a killer earnings-wise.
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Post by nyf on Apr 25, 2022 17:57:44 GMT
Really wanted those 2 in the bush I guess Can anyone find what length the Mets offer was at? Just thinking this through, at 100M, do we think it was 4x100 (25AAV) or 5x100 (20AAV). And was the extra 20 an extra year? Or a higher AAV? Lets assume the lowest here, there is reason to believe Conforto would have exceeded 20 million per year. So if he was looking at 20 million for 5 or 6 years, then you can start to see why he might gamble. Lets go the highest. 4 years at 25AAV, or 5 years at 24AAV, well those numbers start to get harder to beat. Might someone have given him 6x150 if he crushed 2021? Maybe. Higher than that? Hard to see anyone valuing him at a 200 million dollar player when Springer needed the whole offseason to squeeze out 150 as a leadoff power hitting base stealing Center Fielder... No matter how you slice it - I think he regrets it now.
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