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Post by saxon on Jun 18, 2021 0:57:54 GMT
The MRI's keep saying that Jake is ok, but still a bit of a concern with why he keeps feeling pain...
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Post by saxon on Jun 18, 2021 1:01:18 GMT
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Post by nyf on Jun 18, 2021 23:00:32 GMT
Is there any reason to believe the hitting is hurting him? Although the doctors say no, I think it's highly more likely that the one straight left him over compensating in other areas causing another ache to happen.
The other factor that is more likely than hitting is throwing regularly at 102 MPH at 32 years old might make you a bit more achy.
The last theory is just being 32 years old might make him a bit more achy.
I appreciate the caution early if it keeps him healthy for the stretch run.
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Post by CMF on Jun 19, 2021 1:39:30 GMT
No idea if the hitting is causing this but outside of watching Jake hit, I am ready for the DH fulltime in the NL. Enough of pitchers flailing at the ball. I agree with you Fang, I think it has more to do with the continued high velocity at his age.
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Post by Admin on Jun 21, 2021 22:27:16 GMT
I don't know if there is any scientific/medical/statistic evidence to suggest that hitting has had any influence on deGrom's health...it is funny however, that he started exhibiting problems right after his at bat in the last start however...
I would imagine that running the bases for a overweight pitcher could make them less effective after running the bases, but how it would affect your shoulder?
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Post by saxon on Jun 26, 2021 0:41:25 GMT
Is there any reason to believe the hitting is hurting him? Although the doctors say no, I think it's highly more likely that the one straight left him over compensating in other areas causing another ache to happen. The other factor that is more likely than hitting is throwing regularly at 102 MPH at 32 years old might make you a bit more achy. The last theory is just being 32 years old might make him a bit more achy. I appreciate the caution early if it keeps him healthy for the stretch run. apparently, it's deGrom that made the connection between hitting and his shoulder: www.mlb.com/news/jacob-degrom-shoulder-injury-caused-by-swingdeGrom says shoulder issue came on swing June 18th, 2021 Anthony DiComo
WASHINGTON -- Most accounts of Jacob deGrom’s right shoulder injury focus on his third inning last Wednesday, when he winced and shook his arm following a pitch to the Cubs’ Eric Sogard. But deGrom actually believes he hurt himself the previous inning, when he swung and missed at a Robert Stock fastball. When deGrom returned to the mound for the third, his shoulder did not feel right.
It also didn’t feel completely wrong, which is why deGrom is not on the injured list. Speaking for the first time since receiving his MRI results on Thursday morning, deGrom said Friday that the shoulder soreness, which knocked him out of his last start after three innings, was not unlike what he typically feels after starts. The only difference is that this time, deGrom felt it during an outing.
“I feel like if it’s anything serious, you can’t touch it [without pain],” deGrom told MLB.com. “It normally gets sore there after I pitch, but not normally during a game. … [To feel it] midgame and then have it not go away, it’s not a normal time to get it. The first two innings, I felt completely fine. I think when I swung and missed up and away, I just aggravated it trying to slow the bat down and then I felt it when I was throwing.”
Because the soreness felt so familiar to deGrom, he told Mets officials that he should be fine to proceed with his normal between-starts throwing program. And the Mets saw no reason to hold him back after an MRI revealed no structural damage. Both their medical staff and a third-party doctor agreed that deGrom wasn’t risking much by continuing to throw.
To that end, deGrom played his usual game of catch on Thursday and fired a 10-pitch bullpen the following afternoon at Nationals Park. He intends to throw another, heavier bullpen session on Saturday, with the unspoken intent of starting Monday if all goes well. Officially, the team is “approaching this day by day,” according to manager Luis Rojas, but the Mets would not be letting deGrom throw if they had no designs on using him early next week.
Assuming deGrom does start against the Braves, one subplot will be whether the Mets allow him to swing the bat. Rojas said earlier this week that the coaching staff could instruct him not to swing, much as it did with Taijuan Walker in a game earlier this year. deGrom also injured his right lat in May while swinging a bat.
But deGrom is also one of the game’s foremost competitors, as well as one of its best-hitting pitchers, with a .423 average and more RBIs (six) than earned runs allowed (four). When asked if he might refrain from swinging next week, deGrom broke into a grin.
“You can tell them that,” he said. “That way, they throw me all fastballs.”
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Post by abat on Jun 26, 2021 8:59:20 GMT
There is a theory that he is simply throwing too fast and putting too much strain on his body. I'm not sure I subscribe to that theory but there is definitely something. I'm not sure I understand why the team isn't prepared to shut him down for a couple of starts. Unless of course they are really confident it is nothing. That said we've seen that play out before with this team ...
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Post by brianstark on Jun 26, 2021 22:25:03 GMT
Well, the problem is that many times, it's Jacob and Jacob ONLY that provides the offense in his starts.
I mean, seriously, at one point today, his ERA was 0.48 and his batting average was 0.41.
Let that sink in for a second and bask in the awesomeness that is Jacob deGrom again.
Even today, 6 innings and two runs.
Our "offense" popguns 1 run for him, and musters only enough (so far, anyway) to take him off the hook for the L at least in the 7th.
I've said it before, I'll probably say it a thousand times more.
Jacob should sue the team for lack of support. Maybe take them to family court? Can there be some form of spousal/team support enforced?
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Post by abat on Jun 27, 2021 8:18:17 GMT
I think the fact that by far his worst start of the season was a quality start says it all. Hopefully the niggles over health are behind him because we are watching something really special and it would be a travesty if that got taken away.
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Post by brianstark on Jun 27, 2021 14:07:09 GMT
Actually even better than a quality start, only two runs.
It's an indication of his greatness that what would be considered a great one for even a Cy Young contending starter is a mild disappointment for Jake.
He's a generational type pitcher.
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Post by nyf on Jun 28, 2021 18:25:26 GMT
Imagine what could have been... rumor has it the Mets nearly traded DeGrom for Kelly Shpppach, instead trading Pedro Beato. Crazy.
Here is what the Met's scouting thought about Jacob.
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Post by brianstark on Jun 29, 2021 1:45:54 GMT
Wow, thanks GOD for small favors...
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Post by nyf on Jun 30, 2021 18:40:23 GMT
Did you guys see the report that he was wresting with his bullpen catcher? I can't imagine having a job where you can't goof around with friends, but yikes! one accidental wrong move and there goes your ace!
The report said DeGrom quickly pinned the unnamed catcher, I wonder how much of a fight the catcher put up. Imagine being labeled forever as the no-name that broke Jacob deGrom? lol
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Post by brianstark on Jul 2, 2021 0:20:25 GMT
First inning tonight got me concerned, Jake looked flustered for the first time in over a year, now he's pitching pissed.
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Post by brianstark on Jul 18, 2021 17:08:23 GMT
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